MSNTV, WebTV, Interactive Television, Set Top Appliance, LBB, Little Black Box, Inexpensive Internet Access, Computer Phobia, Virus Free WWW, Easy To Use 'Net, Table Art, Audioscope Art, Basic HTML, Why Computers Hate Us, Internet For: The Disabled, Elderly, Poor "Just when u think yer life is hard, along comes MSNTV to remind u: it could b WORSE! :)" ~~Rogi
WebTV Only: Copy & Paste Any Amount Of
Text In This Box To Enlarge It For The Vision Impaired. *THIS BOX WILL EXPAND*
...thanks to those THOUSANDS of idiotic banner ads! And, boy, doesn't table/scope art look GREAT with ads for gambling, male enhancement and other, toxic garbage???
Yeah, Tripod will knock my box off line. Angelfire will, too. Geocities spins like a dervish and clogs my cache.
Mobile phone technology is impacting some sites, such as Google, to reduce the crap through which one must wade in order to access a URL.Hence, there are several new search engines, designed to make URLS easier for mobile phones.They REALLY help with webtv!
I have a stripped-down eBay tool and Netflix.Just above these, you'll see two links for google. The first is an easier-loading search engine. Then, once you find your URL, past it into the form field of the SECOND Google link I have on the page. It'll present you with a clean-as-a-whistle, fast-loading URL. It even works on complicated blog sites, with scads of links & photos.
I don't leave home without it!!
The cell phone is rescuing WebTV's crippled, old browser.
He did come back, after I emailed & posted the following:
DON't stop posting! Please.
What I would LOVE for you to do is create a real dialogue with other liberals.
You have a LOT to say!
I just refuse to read those freaks' posts. Sometimes, I'll reply to the subject, but I DON't argue with them any more.
They're abusive and cruel. They're not there to LEARN anything!
Focus on what's GOOD! When you see something interesting, read it, ponder it and respond to it as thoughtfully and honestly as you can.
We NEED each other! It's a LIBERAL newsgroup: one of the few left on usenet, let alone alt.discuss. Let's nurture it and help it grow.
If we lead by our own examples, maybe other liberals will return. Then, we'll have more community and less pain.
I appreciate your zeal, honestly. I'm suggesting you focus it in positive channels. Those bigots will drain you of every ounce of courage, hope, compassion and love you have left.
Let's work to build something beautiful. I KNOW you can!
This is a different platform than either internet or TV as they exist today; it's rather a synthesis. It's not the same thing as what you are describing.
I heard Gates on Charlie Rose today. He wouldn't mention WebTV nor MSNTV by names when he said [paraphrasing] "we had some experience with itv several years ago." Charlie Rose chuckles, intimating that Gates has complained about this to Rose, off camera.
He said the infrastructure: telephonic broadband, wireless, etc. weren't in place then, and that's why these "experiments" were not successful on a large enough scale (by MicroSoft's standards).
He's also very focused on the potentials of narrowcasting, rather than broadcasting: targeted audiences.
Despite the fact that he didn't want to be associated in people's minds with the names, WebTV or MSNTV, he DID SAY THIS:
[paraphrasing] People in the company have urged him to sell off the ITV division of MicroSoft. They say it isn't making any money, that it isn't advancing with current technologies, and that it's serving a VERY LIMITED market.
To this, Gates' response is: we're keeping the ITV division, essentially, until the last box dies.
Now, nobody else at MicroSoft sees the tremendous product loyalty WebTV users have shown in the face of: corporate neglect, antiquated browsers, hostility from PC users, website incompatibility, etc. But I infer from Gates' statement that he recognizes it. I still don't like, respect or trust the fellow, but I will give him that much.
I was watching an interview with Charlie Rose just now. Gates would NOT mention WebTV, nor even MSNTV, by name. He said, basically, "we did some work with itv about ten years ago, and it didn't work out. Some of my people are advising me to dump that portion of microsoft, but I tell them, 'no.'"
The gist of it is this: gates knows itv is the wave of the future, that BROADcasting is outdated; that NARROWcasting is the future; that broadband, wireless, ipod/zoon, cellular telephony, etc are going to cause radical changes in how we receive information.
The MAIN reason, he suggested, that his "experiments in the past" with ITV weren't successful is that broadband wasn't easily and universally accessible for the set top appliance.
Basically, in addition to xbox & zoon, gates is saying he anticipates a global revival in itv.
Blogger used to be accessible to me on webtv. With Google IE 7.o requirements, I can't post and webtvs can't reply to blogger posts. Our browser is IE 3.0. I know. But we can't upgrade, and MSN has lost interest in us.
I tried writing to your go@ address, to try a test post. No reply.
I'm SURE, with MINOR tweaking, your system can be revised so low-income people on webtvs can blog!
WebTV subscribers are a resourceful lot, as we get little support from MSN. We've discovered mobile eBay & mobile Google. They both work FAST on webtv! Well, except I can't purchase a BuyItNow item.
I can promise product loyalty, if you can help us get access to blogger and to Google groups, if you're able to direct me to the right people there.
We're not thrilled about our antique browsers. We're just doin' the best we can, dude!
Subject : news:alt.discuss.politics.liberal When I worked to get this ng started, I had really hoped it could be a place for some thoughtful and serious discussion.
We had alt.discuss.politics and we had alt.discuss.politics.conservative, but no .liberal. I felt that was out of balance. Fortunately, enough voters, liberal and conservative, agreed.
I had hoped people could actually examine ideas, really look at them and discuss them.
Unfortunately, the toxins of alt.discuss have infested this spot, too. My experience is that you don't want to discuss. You want to battle, shock, insult.
If you use the tactics of your opponent, how are you any different FROM your opponent? I was hoping to meet some people who could agree to disagree without these silly flame wars. I've posted many, thoughtful articles in here. They're buried now. Nobody saw them. Nobody commented. There seem to be neither conservatives nor liberals allowed in this ng. It seems to be only for lamers.
I don't blame the "rednecks." They live in a toxic, abusive atmosphere, where conformity to the Law of the Bully is their twisted and inaccurate measure of "success." They have abusive: fathers, gods, ministers, presidents and bosses; they don't know any better. They're castrated and bitter.
They're sexually frustrated, emotionally insecure, poorly-educated, insulated from the real world, wallowing in their middle class privilege, smug and ignorant.
They delight in cruelty and pettiness. They don't care about -- and take pride in -- inflicting suffering. And then, they'll call themselves, "Christians." Their kind killed their so-called, "savior."
They'll never know what a joy life is.
As far as I'm concerned, they're a dying breed of psychological cripples: gasping their last, fetid words; inflicting their final, insipid damage; spreading the sickness in which they fester as best their dried hearts can.
But I refuse to identify with someone who claims to be a "liberal," yet resorts to the same tactics.
I have my own damage (as do they), thank you, which I must work (unlike they) hard, every hour, to overcome. I'm tempted to act like them, sure, and I have.
But, while it offers a temporary release from the pain, it doesn't heal me. What I need is a conversation, based on logic, sincere concern for human dignity, and actual knowledge of the issues.
I seldom see that in here. I certainly don't see it from these reactionary bigots. But I also don't see it from you.
So, I must assume that you're only here for a flame war. I feel more betrayed by you than by them.
Internet to revolutionize TV in 5 years: Gates By Ben HirschlerSat Jan 27, 5:02 PM ET The Internet is set to revolutionize television within five years, due to an explosion of online video content and the merging of PCs and TV sets, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates said on Saturday.
"I'm stunned how people aren't seeing that with TV, in five years from now, people will laugh at what we've had," he told business leaders and politicians at the World Economic Forum.
The rise of high-speed Internet and the popularity of video sites like Google Inc.'s YouTube has already led to a worldwide decline in the number hours spent by young people in front of a TV set.
In the years ahead, more and more viewers will hanker after the flexibility offered by online video and abandon conventional broadcast television, with its fixed program slots and advertisements that interrupt shows, Gates said.
"Certain things like elections or the Olympics really point out how TV is terrible. You have to wait for the guy to talk about the thing you care about or you miss the event and want to go back and see it," he said. "Internet presentation of these things is vastly superior."
At the moment, watching video clips on a computer is a separate experience from watching sitcoms or documentaries on television.
But convergence is coming, posing new challenges for TV companies and advertisers.
"Because TV is moving into being delivered over the Internet -- and some of the big phone companies are building up the infrastructure for that -- you're going to have that experience all together," Gates said. YouTube co-founder Chad Hurley said the impact on advertising would be profound, with the future promising far more targeted ads tailored to each viewer's profile.
"In the coming months we're going to do experiments to see how people interact with these ads to build an effective model that works for advertisers and works for users," he said.
Advertisers are already racing to adapt their strategies to the growing power of the Web, and more and more promotional cash is tipped to migrate from television to Web sites in future.
I'm very lucky. I have access to a WebTV PM+ and several computers, including a mac powerbook. Our house is wired with DSL (mostly to keep down the bickering about who gets to be online NOW!). So, when I get frustrated with trying to surf on an antique browser, I just reach for a computer, while the WebTV's online, and do what I need to do.
I believe WebTV, in its current form, can't last much longer. Too many sites are inaccessible now (I'm the one who can't write my blog from my lbb & my webbie readers can't post comments, 'tho we can all read the blog from LBBs).
Here's why we ol' school webbies hang on: community.
Have you ever tried to locate a MSN group? Their "search this site" loads results that aren't groups! It's frustrating and aggrevating to look for a topic (in my most recent searches, "Burning Man" & "WebTV") and get thousands of irrelevent results! I still don't know if they have any (of hundreds of thousands of groups) WebTV MSN Groups! The internet is a lonely place. Oh, sure, there are millions of websites. One day's worth of youtube would take an entire lifetime to watch!
But WebTV had chats. We have, although they're officially "not supported by MSN anymore" (1 800 GOWEBTV CSR), alt.discuss, what's left of it. We found each other. We built communities together. We met and got married in chat rooms. We taught each other html, javascript, php, dhtml, CSS, Imaps, ming.
Now that many of us have moved on to computers, we've tried to establish forums, chat groups, etc. But we're scattering to the winds. Old links don't work. The alt.discuss.memorials.webtv newsgroup is full of grief. I visit some of the forums. I frequently see posts that say, "I miss my WebTV!"
No, they miss our Family. They miss having people to answer questions, support our struggles to learn how to optimize our online experiences. They miss the corny esigs and the bad jokes.
On a computer, I'm completely responsible for everything the appliance does. If I don't have good antivirus, if there's a sudden power surge or static charge, if I open the wrong attachment, if I didn't install a plug in or some soft- or hardware.... I could end up in big trouble. It's my job to learn all that or pay someone who already knows it to do it for me. It's lonely and frightening. It all sounds so foreign and unattainable.
Some of us have real reasons why we won't learn all that and can't pay someone to do it for us.
One thing I really love about WebTV is that it's accessible. Twenty + bucks a month isn't chicken feed for some of us. But the appliance was accessible and replaceable. And we didn't need to be techies. We took it out of the box, plugged it in, and it walked us through.
We are and were taxi drivers, waitresses, disabled, elderly, janitors... And we learned to build web pages, even ART web pages. We started hosting businesses and became webmasters. We began broadcasting our own, home grown media. The technology was accessible.
That's what those of us who've "moved on" miss about WebTV. WE are the LBB. We miss ourselves and each other.
WebTV was a singular phenomenon. I don't think anything like it will happen again, not in my life time, anyway.
I'm proud and humbled to have been here for most of it. I've made lifetime friends. It's not the appliance; it's the community.
I just lost my free speech to blog. Google bought Blogger. Now, I can't access it from my WebTV. I must use a computer. I'm privileged; most webtv users don't own and can't afford a computer. Their blogging is silenced. See: http://msntv.blogspot.com/ Rogi Riverstone http://rriverstone.com Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:42:37 -0800 From: "megan kamerick" Subject: Re: [KUNMIDEAS-L] transcript of moyers speech
it's here http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1112-10.htm Megan --- Halima Christy wrote: > > tried to send this earlier-- hope you are tuned > in to this- > > --- the forwarded message follows --- > > From: "Halima Christy" > Subject: plantation Mentality
> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:46:44 -0700 > > hi- > i just heard a very unusual media speech- on > "Democracy > Now" > (on TV- 10am Ch27 in Abq) by BILL MOYERS at the > Media > Conference in Memphis-- > > Moyers passionately spoke- fire in his belly!-- > about > --'elite plunder' of the very rich across the boards > in US > --- in everything, including radio, tv , cable, > and they are going after internet more than we > dreamed... > -- conspiracy of the rich > --"The American Dream vs The Gospel of wealth" (a > book) > --Censorship of Knowledge in the Media for last 50 > years > -- Oligarchy's 'view from the top' in all media, and > the > effect it has repressing democracy > --Media language concealing reality > -- time to challenge the "Plantation mentality' we > are all > being subjected to by Washington & the corp > media > -- great book called "Digital Destiny"- must read > for > media lovers > > It seems like Moyers really did listen to Jos > Campbell and > to > many of the healers in both of his historic series > in the > 80's > while so many others were opting into the yuppie > dream.... > Moyers > talks about salvaging freedom of the press with > digital- > even tho > the corp plundering has started-- > R Murdoch bought 'myspace', and Google already > bought > Utube, etc, etc-- > > Moyers notes that with digital, 'everyman' has a > pen, is a > Tom > Paine, and corp cannot be the only storywriters... > > Hoping that we all understand the nefarious > ramifications > of > the 'plantation mentality', Moyers said maybe the > civil > rights > movement in media starts when we stand up from our > obsequious > labors and realize " this ain't the product of > intelligent > design" > > He spoke of the original goals for radio- "classroom > for > the Air", > and how they were exchanged for commercial > sponsorship > goals in the > 40's and 50's.... > > THIS is a GREAT speech, not to be missed by anyone > who > values > Free Speech in any form. As one who worked in the > FSM- > the Free Speech Movement > meetings started in the house next to mine on > Carleton > Street, > and i have never fully recovered from that blast of > intelligence- > listening to Mario Savio, (whom i sometimes think > of as > the > 'last best orator), and the others, being present at > > Sproul Hall Plaza > from the first FSM demonstration on== with all the > police > tear gas > attacks and arrests, etc etc-- > i don't get to hear GREAT SPEECHES nearly enough-- > most > politicians > and media people seem possessed with serious early > Alzheimer's.. > (except for public media, bien sur), > and the ONLY national TV show (are there others?) > worth > attention > seems to be DEMOCRACY NOW-- which helps me > to believe that free speech/democracy is just > temporarily > comatose.. > > THIS Bill Moyers speech is GOOD FOR THE INTELLIGENT > HEART.... > > TREAT YOURSELF to some sane and brilliant thinking-- > > listen today > at 4 pm on www.KUNM.org (Albq time) if you are out > of the > area, > to Bill Moyers on "Will the media foster democracy > or > quench it?" > > Health democracy for all, > > Halima
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Subject: What's an IRC IRC: Internet Relay Chat It's a format by which WebTV can easily link to real-time chat rooms. Everybody types into the room, the text scrolls up. You get to have real-time conversations with people. http://rriverstone.com/msntv/irc.html The IRC I built will take you directly into the "room" of the Sunday afternoon http://chat4tv.com chat. It's a bunch of friends, hanging out, telling stories. We've been together about 10 years now. People have actually gotten MARRIED in our chat rooms! Businesses have formed. We've celebrated births and mourned deaths. Chat4tv is owned by Laura Buddine, a pioneer in research on interactive television (webtv and other platforms), where people connect to the internet via their television sets. Laura, or Dudette, as we call her, also owns and operates http://net4tv.com which is a multitude of resources, including image manipulation, sound files, people of color American History, and a wonderful internet magazine called, "Net4tv Voice," for which I wrote articles for several years. In the last, several years, she has expanded yet another venture, http://games4tv.com : a source of online games. She works diligently to make these accessible to all platforms: webtv, webtv plus, msntv2, computers, macs & apples. They also work for several, international set top boxes, designed for cable tvs, particularly in hotel chains around the world. Sunday evenings, we chat from 3pm, pacific time, until about 6 or 7pm, depending on who wants to stick around. We have a trivia game every week. We talk about what's new in technological innovation, the impact of it on culture, etc. It's pretty much everything, from geek to greek. If you ever feel like meeting some of the NICEST people who ever owned a webtv, you could pop in one weekend. Some of these people have done phenomenally innovative stuff, all of which they learned as regular subscribers, not as corporate types with degrees in the field. So, that's IRC. If you'd ever like to just practice chatting, shoot me an email and I'll "meet" you in the "room" and we can go over all the buttons, ok?
From: "Rogi Riverstone" Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 06:26:12 -0700 To: "ZboX Webhosting" CC
Subject: I'm mad @ google ... and I'm not gonna take it anymore!
Bert, They've "upgraded" http://blogger.com and http://blogspot.com since Google took over. You need a Google password to get in to blog. Well, it's not, of course, compatible with the webtv browser. Ppl can still READ my blog from a webtv, but can't post comments. I can't log in from a webtv anymore. I have to write a blog about webtv from a COMPUTER?!?! I wrote several emails to Google over the weekend; we'll see if I get a response from a human, not a bot. I'm going to CALL Google today, but I'm not too hopeful. So, it looks like I'll be moving at least one of my blogs to your program: http://msntv.blogspot.com It won't happen this month. But, if Google doesn't REALLY make information accessible, no matter one's economic disadvantages (two of their ten principles, and I'm holding them to it!), I'll have to move. The only reason I didn't start with YOUR blogging script is the advantage of Google, placing my blogs in their search results. I can get around that, though, by placing a customized Google search engine on the new blog. barstards! Imagine how BAD I felt, knowing I've been handing out a link to a blog about webtv, but webtv people couldn't COMMENT on it! I'm not one of those prima donna types, who thinks MY word is gawd, but anybody else's comments are unworthy! Looks like I'll b blogging at http://zboxhosting.com soon!
[#100366532] blogger webtv incompatiblehttp://blogger.com redirected me automatically to:http://www.blogger.com/app/nocookies.html where I saw this: Blogger Sign In WE FOUND THE FOLLOWING ERRORS:Your browser's cookie functionality is disabled. Please enable JavaScript and cookies in order to use Blogger. Blogger Help explains how. The "blogger help explains how." link did not function. I've since cleared my cookies. My internet appliance is functioning at maximum. I've done everything I can on my end. Your website is no longer compatible. I can't blog! Attachment: Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:04:15 -0000 From: "Google Help" To: rriverstone Subject: Re: [#100366532] blogger webtv incompatible
Thank you for your note. This is an automated response and request for information about your disabled account. So that we can investigate the situation, please provide a detailed description of what happened when your account became disabled. For example, had you recently tried to change the email address associated with your account or received any emails about your email address being changed? Please note that you'll receive a further reply only if we require more information to investigate or if we have an update about your account. Regards, The Google Team Original Message Follows: ------------------------ From: rriverstone
Subject: blogger webtv incompatible Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:03:41 -0800 Blogger login is no longer compatible with webtv. I can't post in my blogs and I can't contact anybody about it, because I don't belong to any Google groups. Your Google sign up is incompatible, too. Other_product: blogger Language: en IssueType: other Situation: disabled_account
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If an account has not been logged into for over four months, it will become "dormant." Dormant accounts are de-activated at the end of four months. Once an account is deactivated, you will no longer have access regardless of whether or not email has been received in the account during that time. Once an account has been de-activated, we cannot retrieve any of the information that was formerly stored in it. Please Note: Subscribing to any of the Yahoo! Mail Premium Services will prevent your account from going dormant due to inactivity. To learn more about the individual services and sign up, please visit: Yahoo! Mail Plus Yahoo! Mail Personal Address By subscribing to one of the Yahoo! Mail Premium Services, you will no longer need to sign in periodically to keep your account active. =========== Yahoo Shortcuts/Blank Page Problem fix new yahoo shortcut ad appears on top of page causing a blank screen. I've only seen the problem come up on one of my accounts once. So far I've been trying to get the blank screen back so I can test solutions out. So I can only tell you what worked for me. Either one of these links should work (I switched back to the old version before using, but I don't think if it matters much) <--- Instructions for old yahoo mail switch are on the bottom note: replace f101 with your number (see instructions on bottom) This is the one Yahoo shortcuts gives you if the ad loads: http://us.f101.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Preferences?YY=0&y5beta=yes&consentLW=1
I used the next one because the ad didn't load and all I saw was a blank screen (nearly identical). on the old version of yahoo mail it brings up the two yahoo mailboxes glitch on one page (one upper and one lower) click check mail on the lower half visible half and you're in. http://us.f101.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Preferences?YY=0&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes
(keep your address for future use in case yahoo tries to upgrade your mailbox again or if you log in your account from a computer which will upgrade your mailbox) ======================== you can also change the link by clicking one of the above links after signing in use the go to button followed by show last and change the link in the go to box to your number. Once you change the number you'll go from the Log In has Expired Page to your inbox.
Update, 1/15:
Larry, I'm sorry. I don't know a good way to get around this junk withYahoo.Yahoo automatically suspends or deletes email accounts for inactivityafter a certain number of days. They don't CARE that you're the ownerof, or poster to, various Yahoo groups, even though they use your@yahoo.com address to allow you to post! But they'll suspend yourowner/moderator privileges in a heart beat!You probably haven't been "banned" for violation of their Terms ofService. Of course, I don't KNOW you, but you don't seem like aterrorist, spammer, pedophile or other reprobate to me! You're probablycut off because you weren't using your yahoo mail in the required time.It's an automatic program Yahoo has. No work around.One thing I'd suggest is trying to restore the old email address byre-sign up. It probably won't work, as your yahoo addy is listed in thegroups. But it's worth a try.If that doesn't work, you're going to have to change up your groups, ifyou're the owner. That means, starting new ones and shutting the oldones down (more below.)So, you can sign up for a BRAND NEW Yahoo email address. Just use one ofyour OTHER "user names" on your webtv account. Or, you can use a HotMailaddress, Angelfire....any online email service that's accessible toWebTV. They won't know you're the same person. Then, you can post in the groups, by signing up as a new member of eachgroup.If you're the owner of some groups, you can STILL be able to post inthem. You can announce you're having to create a new group, explain why,and move everybody over to the new one. I'm sorry to say you'll loseyour old post archives. But you can, with a great deal of work (maybesome group members can help you?) move any photos, links, etc. you'vestored in the briefcase sections on the left sidebars of the groups.It's a big pain in the butt, I know.You can TRY to contact Yahoo, but I know how THAT works. Either you getno reply at all, or you get a mailbot that acts like a chimp on crack,assumes YOU don't know what YOU're talking about, but really doesn'tunderstand a thing you've said, and is just puking out canned replies toa few, key words in your emails. grr.Now, if you look VERY carefully in the "contact us" or "about us"sections of Yahoo's (or other people's) websites, you MAY actually comeacross an email address that's connected to a live human being, or youmight get REAL lucky and find a PHONE NUMBER to Yahoo. Don't hold yourbreath, but miracles do still happen.My first suggestion is that you TRY to reapply for your original emailaddress at Yahoo, and see what happens.Do NOT say or do anything threatening, no matter HOW frustrated you are!Go to the newsgroups, if you need a shoulder. That's what we're herefor!Good luck, my brother!The Webbies united can probably be defeated, but we'll make 'em bleedwhile we're going down!
I wrote a private email to a woman in the tablesnscopes group. She found it necessary to send it to the owner of the group. I'm not posting their emails here, only my own correspondence.
Are you intentionally pushing other threads up, to bury my submission to the stained glass challenge?
It's the 2nd day in a row you've pushed things up, w/out acknowledging my submission.
I've seen no feedback on my submission from you in the ng. You've replied to every other entry, as near as I can tell, except mine.
Have I offended you?
The problem is that I think I've offended you. It seems I have, but I'm not sure why. And the problem is that it appears you might be intentionally burying my submission.
I'm just checking this out by asking. I don't want bad feelings between us. And I was discouraged to see my submission buried.
As to giving feedback to others, I was waiting (probably pointlessly, seeing how busy the ng is) for stuff to "die down." Whenever there's a roll call thread in a group, it's usually best -- in my experience -- to let that fill up first. Then, I go thru the posts and read stuff. Then, I reply.
I meant no disrespect by doing this. Truly.
Roll call threads get very long and pop back up to the top very frequently. Lots of stuff gets pushed down. Once everyone has replied to the roll call thread, it's usually safe to resume "business as usual."
I can't tell, in a vacuum, what's going on with anybody. It has been my experience that it's best if I just ask questions, when I don't know what's going on. I don't mean anything aggressive or hostile by it, I'm just looking for some clarity.
I was disappointed and, naturally, frustrated, that my work was repeatedly disappearing. I was asking to be sure you weren't intentionally burying it, for some reason. And, if you are, to ask you why, so I'll know what's expected of me.
Also, since you seem to be the archivist for Tandem Tables, it's more likely my work could be included there if you actually get to see it.
I don't want bad blood between us. I'm not accusing you, really. I'm just asking what's going on, so I'll know how to participate in the ng.
I'm sincerely sorry if I've offended you.
I meant no harm. I am not a troll. I am not being disrespectful. I am positive and supportive.
Charters are difficult to access. I posted mine on a regular basis in my newsgroup. I didn't know how to access yours. And, quite frankly, I wasn't expecting to be perceived as disruptive or destructive so, I didn't research the charter.
It's been two years since I've been on webtv or in newsgroups. I have forgotten much. Despite your comments re: my intelligence and what you perceive as my "acting other than," I have serious issues with memory. I don't remember much about webtv, ngs, html or anything else re: my former experiences on webtv. I'm trying to reconnect and relearn things.
You seem to have come to some pretty harsh conclusions re: my motivations. My stance is that you are mistaken.
I wish I could have been given the benefit of the doubt.
I approached this entire situation with deferrence, respect and honesty.
I have a feeling that you, sewsally, are extremely angry with me. Nothing I can say will change that. In fact, it will probably just inflame the situation further.
Perhaps I'm not the only one with a memory disorder. It would appear others may have forgotten who I am, what I've done and how I've contributed to table art and to webtv in general.
This is really causing me a great deal of pain. I really wanted to participate again. I was very excited that I'd managed to put together a table for the challenge, and do it well before the deadline. It's my first in two years.
I hesitate to state this, as I'm afraid it will be perceived, by those who may be looking for "evidence" against me, that I'm soliciting pity.
It is suspected that I live with brain damage, caused by severe child abuse. My memory is VERY faulty. I am mildly dyslexic. I have difficulties interfacing in social situations.
But NOTHING I have done --or not done-- in this newsgroup has been of malicious intent. I am TRYING to succeed.
I need to receive a bit of respect and maybe more patience than is possible.
I stand by my reasons for not posting more in the group. I'm not lying. I'm not making lame excuses.
Is there anyway we can solve this, or am I persona non grata, no matter what I try to do to improve things?
So far, I'm not feeling at all hopeful.
Joe, I don't understand how you are replying to an email I sent to sewsally.
I replied to her. Should I forward that sent email on to you?
Now, apparantly, I've inadvertantly offended two people. I was really only trying to write to sewsally, though.
Sun Jan 7 02:18:11 2007 Mail to Paul Ding The following message was mailed to Paul Ding From:rriverstone Subject:webtv, amish hosting, etc Date:Sun, 7 Jan 2007 02:18:11 -0400 (EDT)
Ok, we've met over webnuts. You helped me w/my table script. I've just been kicked out of the tablesnscopes ng because sewsally came after me, tooth and claw.
I've been trying to figure out why.
Do you own Amish Hosting?
I mentioned, in the ng, that you had tweaked my codes.
Ever since, sewsally kept burying my thread in the ng. I finally emailed her to ask why.
Long story short: she accused me of trolling AND she brought Joe, the ng owner, into it without my consent. Joe threw me out.
I've been trying and trying to find out why. Then, I see a thread in djmike's PHP ng about sally, accusations of arbor hosting kickbacks, a script of hers that said Amish was offline, hacking.....
I went to Amish and found posts galore from PaulDing. I came to PaulDing.net and here we are.
I do believe I've been banned from a newsgroup, simply because I mentioned your name!
But I'll bet NONE of you has the courage to play in the DEEP end, right?
Go THERE and leave us ALONE!
You're in violation of your MSNTV Terms Service and could lose your subscriptions!
You people look like rank ameteurs.
Your sigs have live rams in them, which can choke WebTV Classics (old) and power them off. You offer NO warnings in your posts.
MOST of you steal bandwidth by direct linking images and sound files in your sigs. That costs people MONEY! From source viewing your posts, I see you're stealing from friends of mine!
ALL CAPS in subject heads and replies is much more difficult to read, and is considered shouting. You're yelling at people who aren't even involved. If it's hard for you to see, go get one of the dozens of low-vision tools out there, created just for WebTV users.
Grow UP! The world doesn't revolve around your petty garbage.
...thanks to those THOUSANDS of idiotic banner ads! And, boy, doesn't table/scope art look GREAT with ads for gambling, male enhancement and other, toxic garbage???
This is a scary man! Heil MSN!
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